Ford Puma 7 DCT

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zoo
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Post by zoo »

Hi folks,

I have ordered the new puma st line with the 7 dual clutch automatic transmission. Does anyone know any specifics of the transmission as one cannot find many infos about it. Is it from Magna Getrag? Is it a dry or wet DCT? If anyone has more infos I would appreciate it. I am aware of the lawsuits on the previous 6 speed DCT and although I made the order I am still very concerned if Ford has addressed the problems on their automatic transmissions.

Wdf76
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Post by Wdf76 »

I asked the very same question not so long back. Not because I've ordered one but more out of interest.

There's no mention as such on Magna's website so I was wondering whether it's an in house build?

They've quietly dropped the powershift name and it looks as though the gearbox can only be mated to the 125ps non hybrid.

That would tell me it's a dry clutch set up for low torque applications. Perhaps they're trying it at this level before offering it with other powertrains.

It's all very much below the radar. (You can order it bit there's not a jot of info).
zoo
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Thank you for your answer. I am happy that at least someone else is interested on this. I have found infos about the manual transmission. It is made by magna Getrag and Ford and the battery is integrated with the transmission.

For more info one can look here: https://www.getrag-ford.com/files/theme ... ontact.pdf

So the manual - hybrid is from Getrag. This also explains why the 7DCT is not hybrid. Cos the battery is integrated with the manual transmission. I was trying to guess what the new 7DCT is, my only guess (since ford works with magna getrag) is it is from getrag as well. If you browse their DCTs you will see there is a "new" 7DCT produced after 2015 that is a wet clutch for up to 300 Nm torque: https://www.greencarcongress.com/2015/0 ... etrag.html

If you see its applications you will see that BMW/Mini uses it and Renault (its the EDC on the Clios). This one is a wet-clutch. Magna-Getrag has not produced any 7 speed dry DCT. If this is the case then these are very good news, but to verify this we would need access to ford parts to see Puma's transmission.
Jiipee
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Post by Jiipee »

zoo wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:53 pm Thank you for your answer. I am happy that at least someone else is interested on this. I have found infos about the manual transmission. It is made by magna Getrag and Ford and the battery is integrated with the transmission.

For more info one can look here: https://www.getrag-ford.com/files/theme ... ontact.pdf

So the manual - hybrid is from Getrag. This also explains why the 7DCT is not hybrid. Cos the battery is integrated with the manual transmission. I was trying to guess what the new 7DCT is, my only guess (since ford works with magna getrag) is it is from getrag as well. If you browse their DCTs you will see there is a "new" 7DCT produced after 2015 that is a wet clutch for up to 300 Nm torque: https://www.greencarcongress.com/2015/0 ... etrag.html

If you see its applications you will see that BMW/Mini uses it and Renault (its the EDC on the Clios). This one is a wet-clutch. Magna-Getrag has not produced any 7 speed dry DCT. If this is the case then these are very good news, but to verify this we would need access to ford parts to see Puma's transmission.
If Renault is using this, could the new Captur also have same gearbox. It has 7 SPD dual clutch.
zoo
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Jiipee wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:30 pm
zoo wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:53 pm Thank you for your answer. I am happy that at least someone else is interested on this. I have found infos about the manual transmission. It is made by magna Getrag and Ford and the battery is integrated with the transmission.

For more info one can look here: https://www.getrag-ford.com/files/theme ... ontact.pdf

So the manual - hybrid is from Getrag. This also explains why the 7DCT is not hybrid. Cos the battery is integrated with the manual transmission. I was trying to guess what the new 7DCT is, my only guess (since ford works with magna getrag) is it is from getrag as well. If you browse their DCTs you will see there is a "new" 7DCT produced after 2015 that is a wet clutch for up to 300 Nm torque: https://www.greencarcongress.com/2015/0 ... etrag.html

If you see its applications you will see that BMW/Mini uses it and Renault (its the EDC on the Clios). This one is a wet-clutch. Magna-Getrag has not produced any 7 speed dry DCT. If this is the case then these are very good news, but to verify this we would need access to ford parts to see Puma's transmission.
If Renault is using this, could the new Captur also have same gearbox. It has 7 SPD dual clutch.
I would guess that Clio and Captur have the same DCT (same engines, same torque etc., economies of scale and scope). But with regard to Ford's new mysterious 7 speed DCT we know nothing! What is also interesting is that so far it is only on the Puma and only on the non-hybrid 125 hp version (soon to the Fiestas as well).

I will email my dealer at some point to ask whether they can see from their system any specifics. But even the dealer was not so knowledgable with the DCT.

I remember asking him before ordering about the car's specs (WLTP consumption, 0-60, etc.) cos they were not publicly available on Ford's website and he was emailing me bits of information from the network.

If anyone here works in a dealership or services ford cars I guess they will be able to provide us with more information on this mysterious :lol: DCT.
Jiipee
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Post by Jiipee »

Some car dealers gave put 0-62 time 10,4 sec for the Puma with automatic gearbox. Not sure if it's correct but that would mean that it's a bit slower than manual 125 bhp Hybrid. Though the electric engine probably gives the advantage for the hybrid.
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Jiipee wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:30 pm Some car dealers gave put 0-62 time 10,4 sec for the Puma with automatic gearbox. Not sure if it's correct but that would mean that it's a bit slower than manual 125 bhp Hybrid. Though the electric engine probably gives the advantage for the hybrid.

The "official" (UK) 0-62 is 10.2 secs.
https://www.ford.co.uk/content/dam/guxe ... L-Puma.pdf
Jiipee
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FirstFord1972 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:52 pm
Jiipee wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:30 pm Some car dealers gave put 0-62 time 10,4 sec for the Puma with automatic gearbox. Not sure if it's correct but that would mean that it's a bit slower than manual 125 bhp Hybrid. Though the electric engine probably gives the advantage for the hybrid.

The "official" (UK) 0-62 is 10.2 secs.
https://www.ford.co.uk/content/dam/guxe ... L-Puma.pdf
Actually I made a mistake. It was 10,2 in the place where I looked also. It's quick but not quick enough for me. I'm probably getting the 155 bhp version at some point when most of the teething problems and quality issues have been solved.
zoo
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Post by zoo »

Hi all,

I found that the new DCT is coded 7DCT300 from the service schedule plan in ETIS (https://www.etis.ford.com/fordservice/s ... uleForm.do)... For the automatic puma it shows that one has to renew the automatic transmission fluid every 54K miles/6 years. (Automatic transmission fluid Every 54 000 miles/6 years - Renew)...So, it must be the "new" Magna Getrag 7DCT300 wet clutch (it has the same code name)...
zoo
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Post by zoo »

I am reviving this thread as I have a question for you puma experts. I would like to see the gear the car is in when in D...Does anyone know how we can do this? The majority of the DCT cars (e.g., VAG, BMW) show the gear in the instrument cluster, however Puma does not (unless on M). I think this is an essential information for the driver and it is missing....
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