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The Megane electric is excellent and certainly is NOT cheap, a few steps up on quality and design vs a Puma. They drive very well, nearly got one for the wife but just couldn’t commit to electric. Lets not fool ourselves, the Puma is just a Fiesta on stilts and has all the Fiesta’s cheap build quality. But no different to most others in the supermini segment. The Megane is in the class above, ie Focus, Golf etc and carries the improved build and components of that class but in my opinion better put together than both of those and looks far far better

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4251 wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:23 am The Megane electric is excellent and certainly is NOT cheap, a few steps up on quality and design vs a Puma. They drive very well, nearly got one for the wife but just couldn’t commit to electric. Lets not fool ourselves, the Puma is just a Fiesta on stilts and has all the Fiesta’s cheap build quality. But no different to most others in the supermini segment. The Megane is in the class above, ie Focus, Golf etc and carries the improved build and components of that class but in my opinion better put together than both of those and looks far far better
You really don't like your Puma, do you?
'Cheap' is referring to the price and no matter what you say £42,000 is cheap in the electric segment. Regardless, I'll bet the drive isn't as good as a Puma.
Perhaps you should have committed, you would have been a lot happier then... :roll:
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Sparks wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:35 pm
4251 wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:23 am The Megane electric is excellent and certainly is NOT cheap, a few steps up on quality and design vs a Puma. They drive very well, nearly got one for the wife but just couldn’t commit to electric. Lets not fool ourselves, the Puma is just a Fiesta on stilts and has all the Fiesta’s cheap build quality. But no different to most others in the supermini segment. The Megane is in the class above, ie Focus, Golf etc and carries the improved build and components of that class but in my opinion better put together than both of those and looks far far better
You really don't like your Puma, do you?
'Cheap' is referring to the price and no matter what you say £42,000 is cheap in the electric segment. Regardless, I'll bet the drive isn't as good as a Puma.
Perhaps you should have committed, you would have been a lot happier then... :roll:
Nonsense! I stand by what I said 100% Compared to the very popular MG4 the Megane will struggle to sell, as it’s much more expensive, it’s definitely better, but not the difference in price. You wouldn’t know what it drives like. The ST is my wife’s car and her choice. Your silly sarcasm is boring. I personally wouldn’t and don’t have a Puma as my first choice of car, but as a second car I wouldn’t be unhappy with the ST, not at all. But it is what it is and just because we have one doesn’t make me defend that choice every day of it’s existence, all cars have good and bad points, many of them. As a warm supermini on stilts it does a pretty good job. Could have much better trim and build quality but unfortunately Ford isn’t in a situation or mood to offer that.
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4251 wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:02 pm
Sparks wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:35 pm
4251 wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:23 am The Megane electric is excellent and certainly is NOT cheap, a few steps up on quality and design vs a Puma. They drive very well, nearly got one for the wife but just couldn’t commit to electric. Lets not fool ourselves, the Puma is just a Fiesta on stilts and has all the Fiesta’s cheap build quality. But no different to most others in the supermini segment. The Megane is in the class above, ie Focus, Golf etc and carries the improved build and components of that class but in my opinion better put together than both of those and looks far far better
You really don't like your Puma, do you?
'Cheap' is referring to the price and no matter what you say £42,000 is cheap in the electric segment. Regardless, I'll bet the drive isn't as good as a Puma.
Perhaps you should have committed, you would have been a lot happier then... :roll:
Nonsense! I stand by what I said 100% Compared to the very popular MG4 the Megane will struggle to sell, as it’s much more expensive, it’s definitely better, but not the difference in price. You wouldn’t know what it drives like. The ST is my wife’s car and her choice. Your silly sarcasm is boring. I personally wouldn’t and don’t have a Puma as my first choice of car, but as a second car I wouldn’t be unhappy with the ST, not at all. But it is what it is and just because we have one doesn’t make me defend that choice every day of it’s existence, all cars have good and bad points, many of them. As a warm supermini on stilts it does a pretty good job. Could have much better trim and build quality but unfortunately Ford isn’t in a situation or mood to offer that.
Perhaps you missed that it's a Puma forum....It's really amazing how one person can turn some light banter into a vehicle to show off.
You can throw insults around all day if it'll make you happier, but I'm not sure it will.
Lighten up....Life's too short.... :D
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Sparks wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:35 pm

You really don't like your Puma, do you?
My razor sharp senses picked up on that too :lol:

I'll just give my views on the quality of Ford cars. As I mentioned elsewhere, my first Ford was a Mk1 Escort back in 1977. After I rolled that, I went back to motorcycles for 10 years then went on to owning a Vauxhall Cavalier, original Mini and a Rover Montego. Then in 1993 I started an unbroken run of Ford cars.

First was a Mk1 Mondeo, then a Mk1 Focus, Mk2 Mondeo, Mk2 Focus, Mk7 Fiesta and my current Puma. With the exception of the Mk 2 Mondeo, all those cars were acquired new or nearly new. All were kept 5 years or more. The Mk1 Focus went to my wife and the Mk2 Mondeo to my son. I put 175k miles on the Mk2 Focus over 10 years of ownership.

I had very little trouble from those cars. My memory is hazy for the older ones but none of them were dogs. I think the Mondeo central locking used to play up. The Mk2 Focus had an alternator fail just 2 weeks out of the 3 year warranty and the dealer managed to get Ford pay 50% goodwill. My Mk 7 Fiesta didn't miss a beat. My wife also had a Mk7 Fiesta at the same time.... not a single problem. My Puma has had a TCU replacement and a BCU module software update all under warranty.

None of these Fords has had a build quality issue. None of them have ever broken down or failed to get me to my destination. I wouldn't keep buying them if they were shit. Sure, other manufacturers sell cars with more toys and higher spec as standard . Some are premium brands, Merc, BMW etc but others are not so premium and they load the car with features to compensate for a car that isn't that nice to drive. All my Fords have been fun to drive and they have all been reliable.

So in the spirit of honesty, we have had one bad experience in recent years. In 2000 I bought my wife a Ford Ka. It was brand new, imported from Belgium back in the day where you could save 30% by doing it like that. Her Ka was poor. In the first 12 months it had major paint work done. The sills had started to rust and I discovered the bottoms of the doors (on the inside) had no paint, only grey primer. On a service inside the 12 month warranty the Ford garage noted that the front lower arm bushes were worn but wouldn't replace them under warranty because they hadn't failed yet. They failed just outside the warranty and the replacements failed again 9 months later. That was poor quality. Also the 1.3 OHV engine traced its ancestry to the Ford Anglia of 1960. Turning on the aircon was like snatching on the handbrake. Not so fun to drive. :cry:
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Sparks wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:35 pm
4251 wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:02 pm
Sparks wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:35 pm

You really don't like your Puma, do you?
'Cheap' is referring to the price and no matter what you say £42,000 is cheap in the electric segment. Regardless, I'll bet the drive isn't as good as a Puma.
Perhaps you should have committed, you would have been a lot happier then... :roll:
Nonsense! I stand by what I said 100% Compared to the very popular MG4 the Megane will struggle to sell, as it’s much more expensive, it’s definitely better, but not the difference in price. You wouldn’t know what it drives like. The ST is my wife’s car and her choice. Your silly sarcasm is boring. I personally wouldn’t and don’t have a Puma as my first choice of car, but as a second car I wouldn’t be unhappy with the ST, not at all. But it is what it is and just because we have one doesn’t make me defend that choice every day of it’s existence, all cars have good and bad points, many of them. As a warm supermini on stilts it does a pretty good job. Could have much better trim and build quality but unfortunately Ford isn’t in a situation or mood to offer that.
Perhaps you missed that it's a Puma forum....It's really amazing how one person can turn some light banter into a vehicle to show off.
You can throw insults around all day if it'll make you happier, but I'm not sure it will.
Lighten up....Life's too short.... :D
I am talking about Puma’s and the Megane mentioned which was inaccurately criticised by people that obviously know zero about them. The replies from these types on these forums are always predictable, personal and off topic . I doubt the person originally so concerned about would appreciate it. I don’t spout totally biased opinions just because I bought one. You know things like stating after buying a 1.0 ecoboost “ I think the ST is pointless “ yawn …… And on the topic of relevant input on specific forums ie ST, strange how the same people who DO NOT own an ST have so much to say and criticise on ST specific posts, yet see it ok to commit a personal attack at anyone else who’s criticism includes their treasured ride. We own an ST and have done for 2.5 years, so how do some come to the conclusion we don’t like it, where have I said that, do you read something then convert it to something else ?

If we didn’t like the Puma ST it would have gone long ago. But it’s no Ferrari, its a raised up Fiesta ST with most of its good points and most of its bad points damped down at both extremes. Goes quite well and handles quite well, but not quite at the level of the Fiesta. But conversely it rides not quite as harsh and is marginally more comfortable , so whats lost at one end is paid back at the other. The build quality is ok for this end of the market, about average.
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Vendee wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:30 pm
Sparks wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:35 pm

You really don't like your Puma, do you?
My razor sharp senses picked up on that too :lol:

I'll just give my views on the quality of Ford cars. As I mentioned elsewhere, my first Ford was a Mk1 Escort back in 1977. After I rolled that, I went back to motorcycles for 10 years then went on to owning a Vauxhall Cavalier, original Mini and a Rover Montego. Then in 1993 I started an unbroken run of Ford cars.

First was a Mk1 Mondeo, then a Mk1 Focus, Mk2 Mondeo, Mk2 Focus, Mk7 Fiesta and my current Puma. With the exception of the Mk 2 Mondeo, all those cars were acquired new or nearly new. All were kept 5 years or more. The Mk1 Focus went to my wife and the Mk2 Mondeo to my son. I put 175k miles on the Mk2 Focus over 10 years of ownership.

I had very little trouble from those cars. My memory is hazy for the older ones but none of them were dogs. I think the Mondeo central locking used to play up. The Mk2 Focus had an alternator fail just 2 weeks out of the 3 year warranty and the dealer managed to get Ford pay 50% goodwill. My Mk 7 Fiesta didn't miss a beat. My wife also had a Mk7 Fiesta at the same time.... not a single problem. My Puma has had a TCU replacement and a BCU module software update all under warranty.

None of these Fords has had a build quality issue. None of them have ever broken down or failed to get me to my destination. I wouldn't keep buying them if they were shit. Sure, other manufacturers sell cars with more toys and higher spec as standard . Some are premium brands, Merc, BMW etc but others are not so premium and they load the car with features to compensate for a car that isn't that nice to drive. All my Fords have been fun to drive and they have all been reliable.

So in the spirit of honesty, we have had one bad experience in recent years. In 2000 I bought my wife a Ford Ka. It was brand new, imported from Belgium back in the day where you could save 30% by doing it like that. Her Ka was poor. In the first 12 months it had major paint work done. The sills had started to rust and I discovered the bottoms of the doors (on the inside) had no paint, only grey primer. On a service inside the 12 month warranty the Ford garage noted that the front lower arm bushes were worn but wouldn't replace them under warranty because they hadn't failed yet. They failed just outside the warranty and the replacements failed again 9 months later. That was poor quality. Also the 1.3 OHV engine traced its ancestry to the Ford Anglia of 1960. Turning on the aircon was like snatching on the handbrake. Not so fun to drive. :cry:
I’ve had a lot of Fords too, but also a lot of other brands, over 100 cars in total. I buy what fits the bill at the time based on value and appeal. My fords started with the MK3 Cortina GXL, then many more Cortina’s, Sierras , Capri’s, Granadas, Focus’s, Mondeo’s, Galaxies, Cougar etc. All been good cars, especially the Mondeo’s, probably Ford’s best car overall. I have had many of nearly all other brands too, from cheap to expensive. They have mostly all been that bit (often a lot) better than the equivalent Ford in build quality, sad but true. Other makes certain don’t usually pack more extras, the opposite, Ford do that! Mondeo asside, I find it a car hard to criticise. Ford best times were many years ago, 60’s - early 80’s until the Cavalier and Astra came along then the germans/japanese took hold making it more difficult for a thinking person to really want a Ford over the competition and since then they seem to have been on a never ending “cheaping down” campaign which has really took hold now. When our Puma goes (Focus ST gone and my trusty old Mondeo) I honestly don’t think they have a car remotely attractive to us apart from the Kuga, but a 1.0 ecoboost is never going to be considered and neither is the Hybrid. Only one Ford out there out of 4 cars now. I honestly fear for Ford’s future as it seems to rest with Transits and Puma’s.
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4251 wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:23 am
Vendee wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:30 pm
Sparks wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:35 pm

You really don't like your Puma, do you?
My razor sharp senses picked up on that too :lol:

I'll just give my views on the quality of Ford cars. As I mentioned elsewhere, my first Ford was a Mk1 Escort back in 1977. After I rolled that, I went back to motorcycles for 10 years then went on to owning a Vauxhall Cavalier, original Mini and a Rover Montego. Then in 1993 I started an unbroken run of Ford cars.

First was a Mk1 Mondeo, then a Mk1 Focus, Mk2 Mondeo, Mk2 Focus, Mk7 Fiesta and my current Puma. With the exception of the Mk 2 Mondeo, all those cars were acquired new or nearly new. All were kept 5 years or more. The Mk1 Focus went to my wife and the Mk2 Mondeo to my son. I put 175k miles on the Mk2 Focus over 10 years of ownership.

I had very little trouble from those cars. My memory is hazy for the older ones but none of them were dogs. I think the Mondeo central locking used to play up. The Mk2 Focus had an alternator fail just 2 weeks out of the 3 year warranty and the dealer managed to get Ford pay 50% goodwill. My Mk 7 Fiesta didn't miss a beat. My wife also had a Mk7 Fiesta at the same time.... not a single problem. My Puma has had a TCU replacement and a BCU module software update all under warranty.

None of these Fords has had a build quality issue. None of them have ever broken down or failed to get me to my destination. I wouldn't keep buying them if they were shit. Sure, other manufacturers sell cars with more toys and higher spec as standard . Some are premium brands, Merc, BMW etc but others are not so premium and they load the car with features to compensate for a car that isn't that nice to drive. All my Fords have been fun to drive and they have all been reliable.

So in the spirit of honesty, we have had one bad experience in recent years. In 2000 I bought my wife a Ford Ka. It was brand new, imported from Belgium back in the day where you could save 30% by doing it like that. Her Ka was poor. In the first 12 months it had major paint work done. The sills had started to rust and I discovered the bottoms of the doors (on the inside) had no paint, only grey primer. On a service inside the 12 month warranty the Ford garage noted that the front lower arm bushes were worn but wouldn't replace them under warranty because they hadn't failed yet. They failed just outside the warranty and the replacements failed again 9 months later. That was poor quality. Also the 1.3 OHV engine traced its ancestry to the Ford Anglia of 1960. Turning on the aircon was like snatching on the handbrake. Not so fun to drive. :cry:
I’ve had a lot of Fords too, but also a lot of other brands, over 100 cars in total. I buy what fits the bill at the time based on value and appeal. My fords started with the MK3 Cortina GXL, then many more Cortina’s, Sierras , Capri’s, Granadas, Focus’s, Mondeo’s, Galaxies, Cougar etc. All been good cars, especially the Mondeo’s, probably Ford’s best car overall. I have had many of nearly all other brands too, from cheap to expensive. They have mostly all been that bit (often a lot) better than the equivalent Ford in build quality, sad but true. Other makes certain don’t usually pack more extras, the opposite, Ford do that! Mondeo asside, I find it a car hard to criticise. Ford best times were many years ago, 60’s - early 80’s until the Cavalier and Astra came along then the germans/japanese took hold making it more difficult for a thinking person to really want a Ford over the competition and since then they seem to have been on a never ending “cheaping down” campaign which has really took hold now. When our Puma goes (Focus ST gone and my trusty old Mondeo) I honestly don’t think they have a car remotely attractive to us apart from the Kuga, but a 1.0 ecoboost is never going to be considered and neither is the Hybrid. Only one Ford out there out of 4 cars now. I honestly fear for Ford’s future as it seems to rest with Transits and Puma’s.
I'm not sure I'd agree that Fords best years were 60's to 80's. I had a Mk1 Cortina which was ok for its day. Wife had a Mk2 Escort which was a rust bucket and pretty unreliable. I think the Mk3 Escorts and were not that great either although I never owned one. I agree that the Mondeo's were nice and pretty much trouble free apart from the aforementioned door lock/central locking issues. But for me the Focus was even better. The Mk1 was a joy to drive and my Mk2 2.0 TDCi was just stellar. I sold it at 175k with *everything* on it still working correctly and still on the original clutch. The interior looked almost new. and I still miss it. I only sold it because I was doing high mileage and 200k was only a year or so away and there would inevitably be issues and also its 2nd cambelt replacement was looming. As for the 1.0l Ecoboost engine, this is our third one (two previous Mk7 Fiestas) and its fine for us in terms of performance and reliability. I am an engineer so I do maintain my cars properly.
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Surely Fords best years were the 90s. Mk1 Focus, the original Puma, the Ka and the Mondeo were huge successes and rightly acclaimed by the motoring press.
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